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A warning about the warning: This warning takes a negative view of Snuff. If you loved it, I would prefer you stop reading now, rather than make a fight about it. Opinions and all that.

So.

If you're into social justice, particularly race issues, and are aware of the white saviour narrative, and have a problem with the white saviour narrative and other dilemmas of the well-meaning but clueless privileged activist, and you are a fan of Discworld, and you want to continue to be a fan of Discworld, you might want to give Snuff a miss.

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Date: 2012-01-17 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] bigbrasskey
D:

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Date: 2012-01-17 04:27 am (UTC)
holyschist: Image of a medieval crocodile from Herodotus, eating a person, with the caption "om nom nom" (Default)
From: [personal profile] holyschist
I am not exactly surprised, after Unseen Academicals. I mean, I have to some degree compartmentalized with Discworld for a while; do you think this is egregious enough to make that impossible? I like completeness....

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Date: 2012-01-17 04:41 am (UTC)
holyschist: Image of a medieval crocodile from Herodotus, eating a person, with the caption "om nom nom" (Default)
From: [personal profile] holyschist
:-( Sure, if it wouldn't be trouble for you.

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Date: 2012-01-17 04:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] prodigy
Good to know! I kind of felt that way about Thud in some respects and while I'm probably going to read Snuff anyway (I've already bought it and I'd like to know), I would rather go in prepared for the fail than otherwise. It sucks when good things are really disappointing.

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Date: 2012-01-17 05:17 am (UTC)
prodigy: A parody Choose Your Own Adventure book cover with the title "Gay Viking Holiday." (wot)
From: [personal profile] prodigy
Shall do. It's a pity, Monstrous Regiment is still one of the more gender-progressive fantasy novels I've read, but the cultural stuff just hasn't stacked up; the dwarf-troll allegory is hit and miss, but there are many things about Jingo that should not have seen the light of day in any decade.

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Date: 2012-01-17 09:45 am (UTC)
ruuger: Text: I can be very patronising when I mad.  But I'm always right, you know.  It's a heavy burden. (JM: Always right)
From: [personal profile] ruuger
Yeah, I know what you mean. I could see what the book was going for, and the intentions were good, but the execution just didn't work.

I like Sam Vimes (though more in the earlier books that in teh most recent ones), but I think he's become too much of a Sam Vimes, you know, and now works better as a side character like in Monstrous Regiment. Plus the idea of "saving people from themselves" which crops up a lot in the watch books especially, becomes really ugly when attached to a race allegory.

IMO the story in Snuff would have been a better fit with a stand-alone novel than a City Watch book, assuming that it was not told from a "white" (human) perspective, though I can't remember if Unseen Academicals fared any better. And now I'm now trying to remember if there have been any "political" novels that have had a non-human POV character besides UA...

(actually, now that I think about it, this same narrative goes back all the way to Interesting Times, doesn't it, with Cohen saving the Agateans)

There were also some things in Snuff that I really liked, though, like for example Angua's comment about how the melting pot only works in one direction.

(on a side note, another thing I didn't like about the book was all the "men are for Mars, women are from Venus" jokes - very disappointing, because Pratchett is usually better with gender than that)

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